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Kansas Girl sketch by elsevilla Kansas Girl sketch by elsevilla
A Dorothy sketch art trade for :iconrenecordova:, was real fun to draw when i was on my bed, took like 2 hours, decided to make toto as a pomeranian bear head dog. they look cute with afro hair, this sketch has potentialm maybe i should color it, what do you think?

early stages on my blog.

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:icontahrix:
tahrix Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Student
i wish i could draw like this
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:icondetonatorkill:
detonatorkill Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Muito daˇra! 
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GabrielleMay Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow these are really wonderful. Are they done with pencil?
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:iconjaeox:
Jaeox Featured By Owner May 7, 2013   Writer
Nice choice making her bust size small. Adds a more natural realistic feel to it for me. Since I see so many big busted chicks all the time, Lol
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HvonD Featured By Owner May 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amazing sketch!!
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AdriennEcsedi Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please color it.
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unknowtoall Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i dont know if anyone else has said anything but to me her right hand (the one holding the shoes) seems abit off.

love the detail on the straw for both the hat and broom. fluffy dog <3
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OneManDraw Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As I should tell in my langage:
P'tin j'kiff celui-là!!! <3
petit coup de cœur ici pour moi!
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:iconorekio:
orekio Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Student General Artist
:D
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:iconerikku-kun:
Erikku-Kun Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love this sketch
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:iconbenevolent-silence:
Benevolent-Silence Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Professional General Artist
Go for it.
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SwanLullaby Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Great drawing
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Atlas0 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Your style is so gangster though :XD:
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:icondessinateurimpulsif:
dessinateurimpulsif Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
...and her body
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:icondessinateurimpulsif:
dessinateurimpulsif Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
I like your lines....
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Surreptitious-Socks Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The foreshortening in that thigh is very nice.
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:iconkadomaru:
kadomaru Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Artist
Please color it!
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:iconlonewolf-foxhunter:
LoneWolf-FoxHunter Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Fascinating combination of genre's.
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:iconinkthinker:
Inkthinker Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Paint it up, son. You know you want to.
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:iconelsevilla:
elsevilla Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hahah im on it good friend, how you been? I almost got it done, but i need to work in other commissions, but its looking good.
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Inkthinker Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I'm doing all right! Got some books coming out, working regular, might be animating again very soon.

Finally been dragged kicking and screaming into painting in color a bit more, gonna show some stuff soon. I'll catch you yet, you haven't surpassed me for long. Better not slow down. :D
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
thays awesome, make sure to get the james gurney color and light book its awesome.
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xBORNx Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Suuuuperb
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:iconkaze26:
kaze26 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
beautiful
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:iconms20:
ms20 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
love the lines
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8SuperGurl8 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, she is freaking adorable.
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:iconwwwjam:
wwwjam Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Hoo, where do I begin.
A few areas could use some serious work. Her hands are too large- one of them could cover her entire face, from chin to the top of her skull. But as a result, her left hand (our right) doesn't appear to be sized correctly. Where are her fingers? They aren't wrapping around the broom's handle, but given the length of her right hand's fingers, they should easily reach all the way around it. It looks like her thumb is the only thing (lightly) grasping the handle. If the hand (or in this case, just the thumb) were just a bit smaller, this wouldn't be quite as big of an issue, but she needs to look like she's grasping the handle in some way, not just lightly touching it.

Her right hand (our left) is far too large. While her left hand is only a little too large (but noticeably so), her right hand is totally giant. Just as well, her right thumb is much too long, and is extending higher than the bend of her fingers. If the fingers were bent at the knuckles this'd make sense, but as the hand is quite obviously straightened, with only the end joints bent at the fingers, this just doesn't work. The thumb seems to be just another finger for that matter, having no metacarpal bone (the part beneath the thumb that you can't bend, but can move inward and outward from your palm), and so it looks like it's just stuck on there. Add the metacarpal bone, shorten the thumb, shrink the hands, (her right hand a lot, her left hand just a little) and I almost guarantee more natural looking hands.

Hands aside, her forehead is enormous, far beyond acceptable "cute" features. It just looks ridiculous. It's going past the nose, even. Reel it in some, and it'll look much better.

Her right leg is also somewhat misshapen. Below the knee, her leg is extremely bowed. That is to say, it bends back very far, and vey awkwardly. I understand such exaggeration is common to achieve "sexy legs," but this is kind of silly looking. Even ignoring exaggeration, her leg's calf is simply too low. It should begin near, or at the crease where the knee bends, not a 3rd of the way down the lower leg.

If she's flying, then the cross charm around her ankle should be flying back, as should the pant leg around the same ankle. Her scarf thing as well. If she's not flying, then the posture, pose, shoes and hair make little sense as they appear to be flying back somewhat, or at least swaying to the momentum. Either way, mobile or not, there are features that do not make sense. I'd suggest deciding whether she's moving or not, and adjusting for momentum or lack of it.

Finally, the broom's "bottom" (where the bristles becomes "flat," or where they end) might look better if it was narrowed, as if we were seeing it from a more profiled angle. As it stands, the broom's handle appears to be going almost straight to the right, but the broom's bottom makes it seem like it's at an angle, going to the background in that direction.

While there are other parts I'm not fond of (primarily features that are common in anime/manga styles), I recognize them as stylistic choices of yours. The features I mentioned, however, I do not recognize as such, and I hope that they were oversights. I mean no ill will in pointing out these things I see as flaws, just being honest.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah i know kid, most of them are done onpurpose, its my taste, but there are flaws that has no exuse, ilike her with big forehead, most of them are been corrected with painting on top, this is not inked final lines, maybe the clean lines of my way of doing drawings confuse you, i use the word sketch for base lines i base on,this is not intended as a final art, this will change a lot on the painting.
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TracyWong Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
First - almost all the things you are nit picking about are style preferences, not problems or faults. It's important when critiquing other people's work to be able to discern between personal taste preferences and actual problems with the image.

Second, unless the artist has requested critique for the work, it's not cool to just come onto someone's page and tear apart their artwork with a list of things you feel are wrong with it.

Third, if you feel it's appropriate to critique another person's work, it's probably best that your artist skills are quite a bit higher or at least a bit more advanced than the person you are critiquing. There is a strange notion that some people have that anyone and everyone can leave great artistic critique to anyone else, despite their own personal artist skills or artistic level. Can anyone leave critique - of course, but should everyone and anyone leave critique to any other artist, despite their own personal skill level vs the skill level of the person they are critiquing? Probably not. To measure how good or bad something is (and more importantly, what can be done to improve it) requires knowledge about, and the intent of, the thing they are critiquing.
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wwwjam Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
First: I clearly pointed out that there are many things I don't like, but acknowledge are stylistic. I sincerely doubt- and hope- that a thumb the length of 3 fingers is an intentional stylistic choice. Other problems were anatomical, no taste-driven. I even mentioned that in the part about the leg being bowed.

Second: It's on the internet. The comments are enabled. They didn't say "no crit plz". It's fair game for both compliments and criticism.

Third: A critic's personal skill does not matter especially when it comes to information about anatomical or logical flaws. One need not be an architect to see when a building looks hideous. One need not be a cook to know when food tastes horrible. One need not be a master artist to critique other artists. If that were the case, then Rob Leifeld wouldn't be getting his very justly deserved roastings over his insane work by people on the internet who are not in the comics industry. By your logic, he's working and they aren't, so they have no place to criticize his work!

If I were comparing myself to Elsevilla, that'd be another story, but I'm not, so it's a moot point.
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TracyWong Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I think finger length, forehead size, and hand size are style issues. Though I, personally, don't like a lot of the artist's style choices, I feel that much of what you are pointing out as flaws, are style related. But that's just my opinion, and the "flaws" are just your opinion. :)

You pointed out that you don't feel that skill matters when it comes to critique, and I couldn't disagree more. Going with you cook analogy, would a chef seriously take advice on what to do to improve their dish from someone who can only prepare food that comes in a box? An untrained chef or amateur cook might taste a dish and, realizing that it’s a bit bland, automatically say “Hey this needs more salt”, when it fact, it may not need salt at all, it may need some basil, or garlic, or some other spice that would improve the flavor. An amateur chef would know that, yes, it’s bland, but the advice they give on how to make it less bland could be Way Off.
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Sye216 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Not to butt in, but a person's artistic knowledge is not necessarily defined by their skill level in art. I can rattle off anatomy rule after anatomy rule, but I still have trouble expressing my knowledge in my art. I recognize what I'm doing wrong; the issue is getting my hand to go along with it.

Don't judge someone's artistic knowledge by their technical skill.
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TracyWong Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
There is a difference between knowing a rule in theory and knowing it when you see it. Fact knowing and application knowing are two different things. I think this is one of those cases where we have to agree to disagree. :)
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Sye216 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
Okay. I guess any time kids in my art class who aren't as artistically skilled as me give me critiques and recommendations, I'll ignore them because they obviously have no idea what they're talking about.
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TracyWong Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Whatever works for you. :) If something someone says makes sense to you, then go with it. If not, then don't. You're the only one who should decide what recommendations to take or not. If having people with little or no artistic skill telling you how to do your art helps you to improve, then awesome, go with it. If it doesn't help you, then ignore it. You are the best judge of what helps you on your journey. :D That's the cool thing about being human, we all have different things that help or hinder us. And we all have our own journey's to walk. May your journey be smooth and fun! :rose:
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Kiwipancakes Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
Sye has a point.
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witch13888 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You know, in artistic culture, art schools and institutions respected all over the world as well as by artistic masters throughout the medium/industry, It is the the natural and common sense and overall courtesy when giving a good structural critique to another artist that you first start and continue with positive perspective on the piece, ie: what was good about it, and the style of the artist, etc etc.

I am not being unpleasant or trying to pick an argument; nor spark a debate of any kind, understand that now ahead of time. Also understand that I will not nor ever apologize for the things I am about to say as well as for sticking up for this amazing rising passionate star of an artist. Nor am I saying that you were completely wrong in your opinions* on the artist piece, however
the way in which it was approached was wrong.

You immediately began parading an almost list of things you thought were wrong with the picture. I understand that you are perhaps trying to help the artist his work as a whole, but as an artist my entire life - I have always 9 times/out of 10 found this approach that you took only serves to inwardly make the artist feel insecure about their own styles and artistic ability.

In result, some artist may second guess themselves and hold themselves back while working; the result in more crumpled up half-finished AMAZING rough drafts and cells/ would-be masterpieces that were never finished because the artist in the back of there mind was pitted with the reoccurring thoughts, fears and second-guessing rooted to that one or two bad critiques they got from someone, and it bothers them. I would personally know. Ive gone through this experience, more than once.

So,
I am not insulting you, because I do see you are an artist as well and I am sure that somewhere in the back of your mind that you understand and have possibly experienced this as well at some point along your journey. And I don't know how your thought process works, or how you handle things and different situations but as an artist I feel this time it was a bit out of line and in needing of some critique of its own.

The very first line of your "critique" "Hoo, where do I begin."
That alone is very inappropriate and you have no idea whatsoever how discouraging that one little line can be to an aspiring artist; no matter what age, race, or artistic level they may be.

And on another note, it is artistic etiquette that usually if the artist wants an opinion or critique on the work, they will ask for it. Same goes with "Open Critique" you can ask the artist " Would you like a critique?" Just a bit of helpful tips for you in the near future. :)

I am sure you are an adult and you make your own decisions, but all I am asking - personally as an artist, is too think more carefully before you speak or type. I do hope you try to understand.

with all the best, One artist to another,

-Chii ヒマワリ :heart:
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wwwjam Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
While I agree that the opening line was a bit rude, I have to point out that I not only listed what was wrong, but why it was wrong, and then offered suggestions on how to resolve the mistakes. Few critics would go to the trouble of writing more than a single sentence. I actually thought I'd get bonus points for putting in the effort to try and provide assistance.

For the rest, I'm gonna have to disagree on etiquette. It's on the internet, and the comments are enabled. It's fair game for both criticism and compliments, whether the artist asked for them or not. Just as well, critiques do not require either a positive or negative half. It can be either or both. There are many people who rave about the better qualities of a picture, and never take a moment to say "but maybe X could be Y," or "Z isn't quite right and A would fix it right up."

If the artist had said "no crit plz" it'd be a different story, but that is not the case, and I pray I never see such a case in the work of artists who would like to appear professional. Art is not a spectator sport. If you only ever want to be praised, then you're doing something wrong. You want to appease a crowd, not expand your boundaries. It's a restrictive point of view, and I pray that someone as popular as Elsevilla would understand that.

I never seek to insult other artists. Art is subjective and I'd rather pry my eyeballs out than try to put another artist down, unless they show continued resistance to improvement. While I am not particularly fond of Elsevilla's style, they obviously have a refined technique that is appealing to many, and it's apparently what they love to draw and so I won't dog them for that. I've held my tongue (fingers?) in the past as most of what I could criticize is purely stylistic. This time around, I saw clear anatomical and logical flaws that I knew how to correct, and offered suggestions to correct them. I have a feeling, however, that the opening "hoo boy, where do I start" set the tone for the entire post as an antagonizing lecture. That was not the intention, but I can see how it has that effect, and I regret that. I don't have it in me to intentionally be rude, at least not in public.

In any case, I understand where you're coming from, but I have to disagree with much of your premise.
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witch13888 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's very fine,
as I said you are entitled to your opinion as I have said before.
I still remain by what I said. It was still wrong, And I still feel that the structure of which you Critique is wrong. And the whole "fair game" card you mentioned, that alone is a bit unconventional/ unprofessional in its own.
And on just a side note: Not everyone professional or not request critique whether the work be on the internet or not.

Aside from that, Thank you very much for taking the time to reply, despite the fact that we obviously have two completely different views on such matter. :)
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yuikow Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I agree with everything you have to say accept with the broom. A broom is a broom. I like his stylistic liberties he took with it. Many people do square ends for broom bristles. If he tapered it off it would feel out of place with his style.
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Karisse Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
1. Yes, it's a skill to be able to take and handle criticism. 2. It's a skill to give criticism in a way that is efficient and also positive. 3. Despite the previous two points, he spent a lot of thoughtful time giving his criticism, whether or not it was handled skillfully. 4. From what I read of his comments, he is also correct, even if I disagree with wwwjam on the point that I DON"T think it needs to be fixed. It can be appreciated for what it is and I, personally, find it to be a very beautiful piece--especially in regards to the foreshortening and weight of the legs :) So let us move on, enjoy the art as it has been done, and thank everyone for their peaceful opinions. 5. Moving on! Have a good day everyone! :)
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dinshino Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
My first instinct was to ask if you've ever been here, but then I thought better and read the description.

The last time I saw anyone wearing overalls (who was over the age of 5) was last Halloween.

I take it this is Dorothy as she would be in one of the later official Oz books (there's 14)?
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
hahah or can be the actress, she was an old ladie invthat movie.
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dinshino Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
She was in her 20s, wasn't she? Definitely not a kid, I know.
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MistahCatfish Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep, you should color it ^^
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plazadelpirul Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
looks pretty good
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MrEdison Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Witch gone southern. Whoowee!
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NextDream Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
wow! exelent job! it's to good
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kagekabuki Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Very nice, I would love to see this coloured :)
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AndrzejKrawczyk Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013
Purely delicious eyecandy.
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