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Art is Brainwash

Wed Jan 15, 2014, 1:07 PM
Hhahahahha is as bad as it sounds. Im gonna ask you guys this because im not sure if im the only one with this issue.



Im constantly reading book, art books, topics, improving, learning anatomy muscles, then the next day learn something else. But few days later ive already forgot some important stuff, so i go back to re learn color, but then i forgot some part of anatomy, so i go back and study again that part of anatomy, but then i forgot about values, so i have to go and study that again, but then again forgot about colors so i have to go again and...............................................................Etc. Eternal spiral.


And the irony is that i know every single hidden item on metroid maps, i know were are all the rupies and hearts hidden at zelda, i know how much points i need to unlock next weapon on Bf4. But i forget somethign as easy as drawing a knee?



Are you f%%&%&%%&%& kidding me?????????????



ARRRGHHHHHHHHHGGGHHHHHH



I had read that people forget 80% of the stuff day do on a day. Thats probably the reason why they recomend you to draw eveyday. Not because you are learning, just to not forget.



I am just this close, to start adding tattoes to my body, like in one arm, will be color theory, on my hand rules about composition, a list of things i must watch on my stuff, on my neck rules of perspective, on my back color theory triads and complementaries, on my palm wacom settings.



I totally feel that im the guy from MEMENTO MOVIE.


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Lucis7 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014
ugh I can relate to this too much!!
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UltimateLazerbot Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014   Digital Artist
if i am going to baste my opinion on the title, actually i don't think art, all arts are brainwashing but if i had to choose an artform or something that is, its a lot of art and music that is on TV that we listen to and watch from movies. i think a good amount of those are in different aspects brainwashing. now for the memory thing, i loop around a lot of things that take place in the day so i keep track of things of course its impossible to remember every word said. and zelda i know really well.
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Core-Point Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2014
I'm in the same fucking boat with you here... and I'm so glad.. I'm not alone in this. V_V
I subscribed to this site with the intention of getting better at illustration A LONG TIME AGO, ... but I don't draw much at all anymore. I just keep telling myself I'll eventually do something with my skill, grow it. (I keep letting life get in the way here)

Tangent aside, I do read about money, history, business... taxes..investing, very important stuff that could help me out financially if I could recall it to apply it. And I'm using my time to read it.. but for the love of me, I can't recall any of it hardly at all.. which makes me a sad sad panda, because I really want to freaking recall it when I need it. ON the other hand. I do generally get the gist of things, the lessons, and those do stick with me to some vague degree. But I also read about more practical things, cleaning fish, cooking... and I cook..  and even with stuff I absolutely love, anime.. manga, things that really inspire me. I cannot for the love of me recall the details. Which makes me piss poor at conversations with other people who like anime and such.

So in a way, I am worse off than you are to some degree...I don't know, maybe I need to start being more active, maybe that will help me recall things better?
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AlexUdeg Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
jajaja.. créeme no solo te sucede a ti.. y con los años es peor, espera tener más de treinta como yo... jajajaja
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Leonidas666 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Memento is awesome. :)
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AdriennEcsedi Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't imagine this happanes with you. Very strange. What do you think, why is this happening with you?
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
i dont know, happens to me all the time, some time i read new art books, and im like ooohh yeah i remember this concept i learn it long time ago, and i have to relearn it, feels like a deja vu.
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TehKukkiMonsta Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014
At least I'm not the only one, lol
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
i thought it was only me.
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TehKukkiMonsta Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014
Nope, I used to draw nothing but backs so i wouldn't forget the anatomy but now I've forgotten how to shade and draw them right.
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Dadapan Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Interesting.
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grim22x7 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014
Wired posted an article today that presented the idea that consuming caffeine after studying will help to lock those memories in. Maybe it's not helpful for everyone but maybe it can help you. Of course practice review and application are the best ways to master skills. But the Wired article is kinda interesting. 
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
its funny because i read books whiole i drink cofee, maybe it works, i should drink coffe when im doing bodies studies, thanxs for the tip-
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KaiJP Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do get that problem too. 

There's even a tutorial on here that I have to watch again every month or so to set-up my brain to think of bodies in 3D, or else my posing slowly degenerate into stiff suckyness. XD 

Art is brainwash. That being said, it's a lot more complicated and involve a lot more mental ressources than remembering some random fact from videogames. There's also less clues to help remembering those complex visual information... it's hard to compress those informations into easy to remember tricks. 
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
thanxs fopr sharing, im glad im not the only one.
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KaiJP Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem. ^^

I should thank you for sharing, Until now I didn't know if I was the only one myself! XD

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MasterOkiAkai Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Ah yup, another one of those regular pitfalls.
Studying something doesn't stick until you apply it enough times where it becomes a part of your process or perspective. 
It's easy to remember things that don't change or are part of a static pre-established pattern. But in the case of art application, there's too many possible combinations to count. So it's not as simple as memorization, it's practice practice practice and application yadda ya. You have to understand it and repeatedly use it to get it to stick in your proverbial tool box. Muscle memory can kinda save you SOMETIMES but you still need to have built it up with repetition.

But memorizing patterns and facts is one thing, comprehending the concept in its entirety is another. THe former will allow you to copy and reproduce that pattern with little to no variance, but comprehension will allow you to create all on your own. 'When you understand the nature of a thing, you know what it is capable of'

And yeah, we do forget most of what happens on any given day because we don't figure most of it is worth remembering or it's not 'traumatic/exciting' enough to linger. But I can remember going through some of my old sketchbooks and finding images the next day i didn't remember drawing in class, rather i remembered what i learned in class quite well XD
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yeah, totally.
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JoelWhite Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I still need to watch Memento. I hear many good things about it.
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Darkmaster287 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014
Learn something, relearn it 10 minutes later, learn it again in the next week, learn it aigain in the next month -> You will never forget what u've learned ^^
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K3LL-3 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I can relate to this. Tattooing color theory on my arm sounds like a good idea.
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jackdude180 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
happens here to Mate
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Newsha-Ghasemi Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
you know i felt like that for awhile but i dont think its that youre forgetting, its that youre growing and you start seeing things you didnt see before. You can do the same study years apart and its crazy how much more detail and understanding you have later on. so where you think youre forgetting anatomy i think its just youve outgrown your current level and its time for a new batch of learning.
its kind of like watching a movie you saw as a kid as an adult. its not that you forgot the movie, its that theres so much you didnt understand before that you understand now.

hahaha i hope that makes sense xD
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shaolinwolf Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just make it up as you go. Its not supposed to be easy.
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RaifanZell Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
The only thing you'll have to worry about after that is....
"where did half of my notes run off to?"

That is unless you plan to have a map to all your notes tattooed on you as well.
Now that I think about it, if it's done right, that could all look so awesome.  :)
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HeavensSpire Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Lmao, this made me laugh because it happens to me. I have to use references constantly.
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rinukon Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014   General Artist
Sometimes I'll have avoided drawing one thing for so long that it takes PAGES of references to get the right feel for it again, or someone will suggest a different technique and what I did before will often seem so wrong, even though it was a huge part of helping me to develop my art
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Thrythlind Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Writer
There are three types of memory:

Sensory memory, which lasts a few seconds...

...short-term memory, which lasts a few minutes...

...and long term memory, which lasts indefinitely and has effectively unlimited storage limits.

However, the brain only records things to long-term memory if it appears to be useful. The more use you make of a piece of information upon learning it, the more effectively it is transcribed to long term memory.

This is why lectures should either only be a couple of minutes long followed immediately by exercise or else the lecture should be sprinkled with participatory exercises.

Also, taking notes is an effective way to remember something, especially if you include your own pertinent comments.

What happens in note taking is that you listen to the teacher or read the material, process it internally and then make immediate use of it when you write it down in your own words. Thus in the process of taking notes you are exposed to the information no less than three times: acquisition, analysis & reproduction. This is the real reason you should take notes on anything you read or listen to for educational purposes. The act of taking notes makes things easier to remember because the brain notes how much that piece of information is getting moved about and thus chooses to transcribe it to long term memory.

Once a piece of information is in long term memory it is a lot harder to lose. The we've not found any real limits to that memory, though logically there must be some, so the brain doesn't erase stuff from often, if it all. Still, skills can get rusty, so there is some loss.

The most effective way to retain information is to teach it to someone else since you have to manipulate the information several times until you can reproduce it in a manner understandable by the student.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
nice info
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Thrythlind Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Writer
I'm a teacher, I've had to read this stuff.
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elideli Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
I am not much of an artist but I guess I have something to say here (some basic stuff actually - sorry if too obvious).

I think there are two ways to learn how to draw this and that:

1. You actually study. When you draw you don't have background activities like TV, unrelated youtube videos, favourite music with lots of lyrics and so on. You are concentrated on your study. You give your actions a thought, you analyse them. This way you can notice a moment of truth -- the time when you actually learn something, understand some principle or find a good way to do some particular detail. This way you can remember the logic of creating something and recall it later.

2. You practice something that you already understand and that you are sure of. You may turn on all of your background stuff - favourite movie or a tv-show, your loud music, you can even talk to people. At some point drawing will become your background activity and your attention will be attracted to an action scene or to singing along with your favourite band. Your hands will do the work. This is an automatic function of your body -- hands have their own memory. But only that! Hands don't know anything about structure and logic -- so they can't imagine human anatomy or work out good composition (unless you are drawing the same pose or a scene again and again).

I had this problem all the time. I tried to learn some anatomy and I watched (actually listened to) tv-shows and cartoons while drawing. And then I couldn't see any progress in my so-called "art". My brain was too busy memorising the plot and character names so I couldn't concentrate on my drawing study. It looked like I was drawing but my head was somewhere else. So I stopped watching shows. Now I only listen to some light lounge or ambient music while drawing (I am not a fan of these genres but silence is killing me and my favourite music is too loud... and too favourite to not pay attention). So I can say method of "just drawing with no background activities" helped me.
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turnipsss Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
One thing you could do to help this is to write down a list of what to work on, and pick a day to focus on just that. Try to break it down into small pieces so it's easier for your brain to absorb the information more completely. It sounds like you're reading too much about how to improve and it's too much to learn all at once. 

For example, let's say you want to work on anatomy. Try to focus on just that in your learning sessions. Start with what you feel is your weakest area in anatomy. Once you feel like you've improved that enough, move on to a different area. For example, I felt like I had a hard time drawing legs, so I focused more on drawing legs correctly for a while. Once that improved I moved onto arms, and then continue.

Also, forgetting 80% of what you do every day isn't always a bad thing. Your brain automatically filters out repetitive and insignificant information so you can hold on to more important knowledge. This is why people forget what they ate for breakfast but remember things from years ago. 
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UmiKit Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have this similar problem. I always have to try drawing different things every day if possible. Always going back and forth from my lineart styles and painting styles. When I have to actually put the pen down it replays in my head over and over like a vivid memory of what I should do, yet when I get back to it it's like I can't remember the things I just practiced. It's discouraging to me sometimes, though I know I must have not practiced or studied something enough to keep remembering it.
I keep a layer file for certain body parts so I can practice and experiment over and over, keeping each image next to each other. It's help keeping some things fresh, tho not all.
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Requiemsvoid Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Filmographer
I use multiple programs and jump from process to process.. often falling victim to the same short term memory problems XD

That being said, you could always do what I do...
*Create tutorials for things you've learned and practiced well... proceeding to post them on youtube for later reference as well as help other artists in the process :meow:

IE: www.youtube.com/user/RequiemsV…
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Not bad at all, zbrush its a difficult program.
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Requiemsvoid Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Filmographer
lol, it has its moments.

Tho the way I do things, has left me quite knowledgeable..  but not
very "skilled" at any one particular thing.

*I'm kind of like a Red Mage now :meow:

Funny enough, when I look at some of the galleries of people that are asking
me for info/lessons/advice.. it blows me away how talented and much more
amazing they are, compared to my own works.

**It would be like you asking me for a list of shortcuts for photoshop or something :XD:

anywho..

If you do start uploading tutorials for anatomy (knees, faces, hands, ect) or color theory..
I'd be more than happy to do a shoutout to your channel in one of my upcoming vids.

Perhaps maybe I could sculpt one of your characters into a 3D model or something? :D
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
that will bea wesome, love when people work on one of my characters.
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Requiemsvoid Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Indeed!
*I'll keep an eye out for your tutorials then ^_^
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Steelpengu Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
These honest journals about art have been really awesome. I recently picked up drawing every day again since I'm doing art full time again and it's great reading about the same struggles I'm having from the perspective of other artists. I wish more artists talked more about doing art like this. 
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Nice, hey i bought videos from Marshall vandruff about eprspective, he sells all of them at 12 bucks, and they are like 3 hours of teachign those videos are incredible, you should search for them.
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BenBrush Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
OH man those tattoos are a GREAT IDEA!!!! I'm stealing that. 

Also... xbox one BF4? 
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
sorry ps4, you are lucky to have second assult maps, i loved metro
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BenBrush Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
daaaaaaaang. Yeah Metro with 64 players is pure chaos. A little unplayable, but euphoric chaos. 

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DoOp Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I don't know if the issue is you forgetting how to draw knees but rather you've improved on how you see knees? So the way you were drawing knees before doesn't match up to your new standard/knowledge of knees. 

Who knows haha.
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kadomaru Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Artist
haahha, yes It happens, I´ve been drawing everiday for a lot of time and I constantly foreget and remember, but every time i revisit old knowledge I learn more, It feels really good when that happens

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Yunaleska1 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahaha I get you totally. I sometimes want to throw things because I forget. And I remember far too many things on games on Zelda like hearts and where to plant the beans in ocarina of time. Those tattoos sound like a good idea ;)
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AIexandre Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
haha xD that's quite a creative idea for tattoos haha, yeah we all forget, that's why drawing is a daily activity :D
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UzumakiRamen Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I haven't really drawn anything in months.. and before that would be another long time in between. Sometimes I feel like working full time in an office job is ruining my life lol..... ...maybe I should start sacrificing sleep to draw everyday.. at least my skills are not improving so there's not much to forget haha.
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T-Spencil Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Filmographer
yep i feel like im constantly re-learning all the time because i've forgotten 
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Nowio Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah I know the feeling... what helped me was to apply the studies right into a piece. For example you're doing some studies for hands (you can even announce it to highen the pressure) and then think of a painting where you use the exactly same hand gestures but render them fully out! This way you get:
1 studies done
2 finished piece done (surely more impact that a study)
3 attention from watchers to the study topic => more pressure as now they will expect you to to better that you did => even more impact... you HAVE to remember it

Of course you can reverse the whole thing:
1 get an idea
2 think of possible elements to study (1-3 to not to overload your memory capacity)
3 do some studies
4 apply the learned knowledge directly into your image

Hope it helps somehow! Sure you will forgett some things but I bet it wouldn't be as much as right now ;)
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