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Beginning of an art journey

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 9:22 AM
A couple of days a friend posted this on a note, he was really worried about an art thief, he also mentioned my style was copied, first i was surprised ive even had a style. So decided to look at this person gallery. Images are almost like a twin brother. But luckily im the evil twin brother.


Remorse by solidscorpion69Magic Note by elsevilla

Dangerous pair by solidscorpion69Mage Ninpou by elsevilla

Forever Young by solidscorpion69BAD  the Bonnie by elsevilla

Above the clouds by solidscorpion69Bonnie Kiriban by elsevilla

Puppet Master by solidscorpion69Puffy care by elsevilla

The Widow by solidscorpion69Avatars revenge by elsevilla

Eight legged freak by solidscorpion69:thumb169853281:

Careful What You Wish For by solidscorpion69Eight reasons to not die by elsevilla


So i replied to him that i didnt consider this a robbery. He say why?



Its because we all started in art from there, when i was a kid of 14 years old,  i used to love dragon ball character, and i used to copy goku pose and change some parts, and call it my OWN. We all start copying what we like about something. It can be a hair cut, i can be clothing, it can be the same mecha toy other kids have.


Copying its always a cool way to start, when you dont have a clue were to move, or how to begin?



Never crossed in my mind that one day one will copy my stuff, that  makes me a bit red and happy. It gives me a bit of sense of years behind a desk, in this crazy and mad art road.





But with internet and layers, people use layers to trace on top, or even copy and paste color swatches, and thats when the problem comes.


You will not learn a thing from that.


For example,  i draw 39% body anatomy accurate, because its hard and im not interested in realism, if a guy copies me, he will not get the 39% he will get a 14% when he begins, but if its truly an art thief he will get a 30%.



And thats when the learning curve problem starts.



When i color, i can easily get references on google, and see them, but ive NEVER and i mean NEVER, copy the image swatches to my new drawing canvas, that doesnt mean i dont use similar colors, NO, i try to get same colors but just by looking, in that way i train my eyes  to mimic the color im seeing, that will make my eyes stronger, because if you are walking on the street , then look at the clouds and see a pretty afternoon, i will know what colors my eyes are seeing.


Its the hard way but it works, hard because it takes years to fully understand it, but, by doing this colors are always constant, and not a drawing looking good, and the other one not making any sense at all.


Same goes for anatomy, thats why i recommend to do life drawings, or posemaniacs in pratice. My anatomy its not always perfect, because i tend to not use any reference when i draw, so i dont copy the models pose, they are drawn bad because i cant memorize the body completely. Thats why even i do life drawings, because they are a good exercise and mind refreshing.





So the point its that this ISNT ART ROBBERY, its just a beginner in art, but sooner or later you gotta do your own stuff, will be harder, will be awful, you will hate every minute of it, but in the end you will grow faster.



The soon you start risking, the fastest you will be in your goal, thats the risk of a Walker in this road of art.




But the real trick its copying someone nobody knows, and people will think you are unique, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAMMMUUUUUAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHH im joking, or am i?

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  • Playing: Battlefield 3
  • Eating: my pride
  • Drinking: My own tears
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:iconjjshaver:
JJShaver Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012  Professional General Artist
Imitation is the simple form of flattery...unless china is ripping off your stuff. Great gallery and an excellent read. Thank you.
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Keyshe54 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012   Traditional Artist
I appreciate your opinion and the way you are taking and choose to deal with it, but it is stealing-ish. :/

They work right off you and your color and composition, and so many that's the key issue. Some are more their own, but others are a little close to be not seen as taking/stealing/borrowing from you a little. But it's nice to see you aren't bothered by it though, so no harm done by him. They are leaning art sure... but a little in a stinky way(maybe not intentional though) and practicing something that isn't that great of a practice. This person should be giving you 'some' credit for their 'inspiration' and work on not working's' closely off others work with out permission. It's probably going to upset people down the line and it's a little dishonest.
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Xaii-Disconnection Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
Your opinion is one to appreciate on this topic. The honesty makes it even better. It has opened my eyes a little bit more, to the art world.

Your art has helped create yet another art-explorer. It is wonderful that you have taken in their art interpretation so happily!

Human nature encourages copying before self-adventure.
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Kitsuru Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012   Digital Artist
They do look similar, but i agree with you! Everyone has to start somewhere.
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una-aberration Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. =)
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luke-crowe Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
If I were to do similar work, with my lack of art skills, I would feel too guilty not to post the reference I used. I find it offensive that this artist used work from Deviantart and does not give credit. It may be legal, but its poor manners in my opinion. Especially when there are comments on his page that suggest that his work is not derived directly from yours.
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Keyshe54 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012   Traditional Artist
I believe it's starting to border on the illegal... one don't have copyright to a theme and an idea of art. But the art piece itself any original character design and 'close' likeness. Composition well. Some are totally illegal inspiration, other are very close and when you put together HOW many. Elsevilla could probably take it to court if he cared. But since no many was made there isn't anything to win against really. And Els doesn't mind. Which over all is very good of him, but leaving this artists to keep using other work isn't really a good thing. Someone will be hurt by it some time, and it's not a good practice for him to do so. He could really get in trouble some time down the line.

He should GIVE credit at least to be honest and polite when he is borrowing 'heavily' such as in the grey girl, green witch, the lineart and maybe the knight fighting the monster.

Also should get permission too if he's doing this with other artists so closely...
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I think its more like inspired, i think when he draws more and learn composition he will take his own risks in this art journey.
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luke-crowe Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I may have been a little emotional with that comment. I still watched him, I hope he improves.
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Deckboy Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Wow. What an honor to have someone copy you!! I applaud you for your understanding of the other artist!

I think a big thing to mention here, too is that the other artist is not just copy + pasting your art and trying to sell the art. In fact, only one of those pictures is even for sale as a print, (the first one listed) and that one is arguably entirely different subject matter. Composition wise, and coloring wise, it may be some form of copy, but the subject matter is very different. When viewing the pictures it's rather obvious that they are not done by the same person - unlike how most "art thieves" just download the original picture and do subtle changes. (like change the background or something)

I love your perspective on this issue - totally got me to thinking!
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projectTiGER Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A bad artist copies.

A great artist steals. :la:
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RoCueto Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Si, lo unico malo es que el chavo quiere correr sin saber gatear y si se ven muy rotos sus dibujos, tu te sales con la tuya con los problemas de anatomia por que le metes un buen de calidad con la composicion, pero el no sabe eso.
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TixieLix Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well said!

Everyone has to start somewhere. If an artist is serious however, they will need to develop their own ideas and styles eventually because an imitation is only an imitation and can never be better than the original :)

I also agree with training yourself to see colours and understanding anatomy through practice in observation. That is how to truly draw convincingly, even if it's not realism.
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starfire-wolf Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
Im glad you handled this in the right way C:
My respect for you has grown :hug:
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Sashei-Alexandre Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012   General Artist
Too funny. And aww.... That's a form of a compliment to have someone mimic your style. You seriously didn't know you had one? O_o.... And yes. You are definitely the evil twin. And that is amazing. ^^ You're awesome for being supportive of others in their beginnings of art.
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pineapple-pocky Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
Your last sentence there--kudos.
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KanoChii Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I completely agree with you and i started drawing the same way. Glad you aren't upset and flipping out!
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Winter-Wisp Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Love your attitiude! Very practical, too. As long as it isn't tracing and some of the details are changed, I reckon its okay.
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Rhythm-Wily Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
I love your attitude. So many artists around here (especially the popular ones) would just go nuts and accuse the other one of being a thief. Inspiration happens everywhere and art in general mimicks life. As long as it's not tracing or something then I think it's ok.
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4pplemoon Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
God, I love this entry and the fact you are being a good sport about this.

If only some artists on here had the same mindset. Some go ballistic over a single pose! Not the concept, perspective or a stylized pose, just a pose...
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solidscorpion69 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
Thanks a lot for this. I definitely take inspiration from your work, but it's an act of learning and admiration. Everyone takes inspiration from somewhere else, and mine happens to be you (lol). I'm a huge fan of your work and have learned a lot from observing and studying your strokes, composition, etc... but also always stay true to my self by making something unique, no matter how heavily inspired. Bottom line, I'm really glad you take no offense, as that is far from my intention, and agree 100% with everything you've said in the above journal post ^^. I don't even hold any resentment to the poster who sent you a note, as he/she was looking out for your well being. Have a good day, and I hope to one day be a great artist such as your self!
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Yaky-Urane Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ahhaha ive seen that a lot in DA , but the artist always grow to have his own style in time :) fortunately
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Bomb-a-Jead Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You know I love your journals!
3 years ago when I started my art journey I used to copy a lot. It pisses me off that my most viewed deviantion is a copy. Shame on me :( . Now I understand that copiying leads you nowhere, so I 'm trying to understand the world. I've deciced to master traditional before moving enterely to digital, but its very hard to get the right colors. Guess I need more practise.
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Xelgot Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Vaya que si hay mucha similitud entre los trabajos, y tu punto de vista es realmente muy interesante, pues algo así comencé yo también cuando era un principiante, ahora ya no copio, sino tengo ciertas "inspirraciones" artistas los cuáles admiro sus trabajos y me hacen pensar "algún día quisiera hacer trabajos de esa calidad" y me esfuerzo.. pero si.. tienes mucha razón, así se empieza, aunque yo no copiaba mucho pero si practicaba arduamente, o también copiaba algunas poses y les cambiaba completamente el vestuario, etc
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KanaKuroDaiya Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with what you wrote, the pictures don't scream 'ART THEFT' to me at all, maybe lack in originality (and if it was practise Iwouldn't have posted them in my gallery, but whatever ^^') but like you said, we all started copying someone XD
There are people stealing an artwork, erasing the original artist name, putting their name and selling it claiming it was theirs..that's art theft for me!!
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ma8c0 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
after what you said, i realized, youre the best!!!
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RavenX2000 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student General Artist
I would call this indeed practise but more about inspiration gotten from you're art, It's like some people "base" books or movies from something they like and are really not wanting to copy it but just are doing a good job in recreating it in something else. I can nowhere in this art see trace lines or any other "copying" other then general composition. I myself started out recently and it's a bitch to be creative when you have 0 level or references. Hell being inspired by you people on DA made me even pick up drawing in the first place. So thanks for the sanity you bring to our community instead of this hyper villigance in copying other people's work cause it has a vague resemblence to what someone else did.
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SencilSketches Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
Respect meter +1

Good job on bearing such a (what seems to be) big influence on him. It must feel awesome! But you know, there are probably even more people that are doing the exact same thing as him but in their own discretion.

No doubt, your artwork is splendid and shows a lot of creativity and understanding of art that I'm sure many people look up to you and have attempted your style at one point or another.
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DuyguChan Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
i feel lucky that i've been following an artist like you for years. your perspective on the topic is truly 'wise' and for some reason it motivated me.
i hope that this community will not lose an artist like you, we need people like you MORE.
good artist, good person. my respects go to you sir.
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PockyChild Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cheers! of course you should feel happy that someone is copying your style, means they really like it Also i've seen a lot of artists done really good art just by copying like from redjuice999 then they evolve in their own way. its pretty nice :)
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EmeyTroi Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow... I guess I never really thought of it that way. I'm kind of surprised by the way you took it and am very humbled by your aproach. Being a stubborn hot-head I probably would've gotten mad or depressed so I'm a little amazed by your reaction. I guess, if I think about it, I copied my sister all the time and I would always draw poses from anime and that's no different then this. I suddenly feel like a hypocrite. XD;
Still, sooner or later they'll have to learn it on their own especially if they want to excel in the art world. I hope they'll learn that sooner then later.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
we all do that, but when time passes, you copy too much people that looks like a new style, but its not, its just a collage of copied stuff.
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SuperCaterina Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
I don't think he is a true art thief. It seems he just uses you as main model for his art. :) You see he didn't traced lines, but just tries to "copy" it and yet he keeps his own different style.
I totally agree with whay you said then: we all started like this. I remember I used to copy Street Fighter artworks and Dragonball characters-positions not only because I liked the design, but especially for their dinamicity (I had difficulties to draw bodies, perspectiove etc)...with the only difference that I put my characters instead. lol
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ElephantWendigo Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I must agree with the part this is not tracing at least, and it's like your style made school in some way, and this is good. But making money over someone else's style is not fair in my opinion. So I hope he won't sell prints of his art, at least.
Btw using the colors used by another person in a certain work is not stealing, in my opinion. Palettes don't have the copyright so you're not breaking any rule.
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LyoNaka Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Filmographer
Somehow, I respect you even more now...
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AntiSpiral99 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not sure i can agree, sure it must feel great seeing someone whos inspired by you, but copy their work right down to the images almost being exact the same is a little weird, to me it kinda seems like art theft but not as bad as other people literally stealing images. Maybe its just me but i wouldn't be so happy if someone was copying my images in the same style, but i understand what you're saying.
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Surreptitious-Socks Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you're very honorable.
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thatonekid9669 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Artist
kinda sounds like me,I use to copy my brother's style alot. Still kinda do.
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Vocaloid-divA Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this journal couldn't have come at a better time for me. I was recently talking to my friend about how I was afraid to get better at my art and put it here on DA because I didn't want it to eventually get stolen. hearing it from this point of view, however, makes me see it in a whole different perspective. I get now that (unless its like.....directly stolen and recolored or something) if its referenced it's not all that bad because I know that at least I worked hard to get where I am now that I'm finally beginning to get over my fears of branching out.
thanks for being such a inspiration and thinking outside the box with the rest of us wacky thinkers.
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baskervwatson Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Bravo. Well said!
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Dogeborn Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
Thank you so much Sevilla! I will copy the shit out of your drawings from nao on!:D best day everr!
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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elTolu Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
a chinga...que atrevido nos salio el morro
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tshuki Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student General Artist
I agree with you! :3
(About the last sentence as well.. XDD)
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Ra1-x3 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, that was awesome D:
Maybe inspiration for today is safed x3
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Memokkeen Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Else, you are my hero. I've never seen anyone say how I feel about art and eye-balling someone's work like you just did. <3
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EmiAnimeOriginal Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
You are such a nice person :iconpewdiebrofistplz:
Not a lot of people think the way you do, they just assume that since their art looks similar to someone else's that that person is an art thief. I went through something similar when I was a beginner, but that person was cold hearted and began to complain about the fact that I was trying to draw in a similar style. I did not copy her art, I did not trace it. I did not draw her characters or re drew a picture she drew. I just simply used her style to practice anatomy and eyes.

If it were me, I would just be happy someone thought my art was good :iconcryforeverplz:
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YanniPlum Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well, I see it more like using you as reference.

As long as there is no tracing... It's allways good to use other artists as references. I wud really appreciate if someone is using me as reference...

And about the style, maybe a bit he's trying to get closer, but at somepoint he will get apart.


I, myself, use elsevilla and lots of other artists as reference... :s
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yorunaka Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really find it extremely inspiring of you to not only post this journal entry but also give solidscorpion positive feedback on his art. I've always found it strange how people label something as art theft just because one chooses to copy some else's style when if fact everyone starts by copying. We can't create a solid style after all without grasping the basics of anatomy, forms, and perspective, after all.

Anyway, your response to this issue has made my respect for you much much greater. ouo
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chriscopeland Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Perfectly put man, if Joe Mad had access to my work from 1997 all the way to 2003, he would have been writing this same exact journal, lol.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
hahahah we all copy mad drawings in a period of our life.
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