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When you paint, you dont have to think you are great, but you do need to feel that what youre after is great.

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Fgore Featured By Owner May 25, 2016  Professional General Artist
nice thought!
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Rose-Kira-chan Featured By Owner May 10, 2016  Student General Artist
I really agree with you because usually during the process of making art, it feels like a struggle and sometimes doubts come in, but in the end I enjoy the results of that ongoing challenge. I also find that the environment of making art is important too, like for example if everyone around you is painting, you become motivated to be more productive by what's happening around you. And in contrary when no one around you is making art (as in a physically sense) it's harder to produce artwork; anyone else feel this way?

This quote of yours got me really inspired, thank you!! :aww:
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RaifanZell Featured By Owner May 9, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This can be said about many things,
it's how I feel when I pull out my color pencils.
Also when I try to bake a cake.  xD
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YugureScarlet Featured By Owner May 9, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you so much, ill try to remember this! <3
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Suki262 Featured By Owner May 9, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Nice quote :meow: 
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Dejaguar Featured By Owner May 8, 2016   Digital Artist
Is this an actual quote from you? If so, it's one of my favorites :) I agree that although what you're currently making may not seem great to you, that shouldn't stifle your hunger to learn from mistakes and make something greater.
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nekokawai Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Grrrrrrrrrrreat! :D I dunno tigers are great! We should all paint tigers.
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Khasdannyanlord Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
hahaah drawing is my life!!!!! paint colors? whatever i fell so goooood!!!!
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sojuentertainment Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
i always think i'm the greatest of all time.. -until reality strikes me again!!!! 
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Cestarian Featured By Owner May 7, 2016   Digital Artist
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this bro.

You have to think you're great, you don't have to think that you're great skill-wise, but great as a person, as an artist you have to think you're great, you have to acknowledge to yourself that you worked hard on that stroke or that object on an image, and that that in and of itself even if it didn't come out right is great.

In fact the more you can take pride in yourself and how great what you're doing is, the higher the dopamine rush you will get for each milestone you reach, and the more rewarding it becomes to draw. Your brain starts to seek out that dopamine rush, you want to draw more, and you know that you want to draw better because you know, as great as whatever you drew was, you know you're not really satisfied and you want to do better.

It's a mind game; it helps you enjoy drawing more, it helps you hold on to that inspiration, it helps you avoid the death traps of falling into negative thoughts about your work (thinking everything you do is shit, when in fact it isn't, or even if it actually is, it's still toxic to you because it will spiral you down a bad, and not very fun road.) there are so many things I could say about this.

And I'm not gonna lie, if I didn't know this, if I hadn't successfully conditioned my mind to do this (to be happy with what I did even if it looks terrible) to feel a rush of success "I achieved my target" (or goal). It drives me, or pulls me even forward indefinitely, and it is the only reason why today I am able to draw every day whereas over the past 2 years (since I began trying to draw) I have failed to do that. Positive reinforcement.

You have to think you're great, and you need to feel that what you're after is even more great (and worth striving for).
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elsevilla Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Hear me out, when you are in high school you know you suck, you dont have the quality of people you admire, knowing you are not great its what keep you grounded to the floor, thinking you are great it can take you to the wrong path.

When you see the images you made as a kid, you know you were not great, but you cans ee the passion of the idea, the passion and idea were higher and greater than your skills. You drawed because you had passion in what you were drawing, hours passed by and without you know it the day has already ended.

I used to draw in high school because i loved what i was drawing, not because i felt greater than the rest of the class.

What you are talking about its not feeling great in both ways, of course if you dont have slef steam you cant draw. And people that feel greater than what they are drawing, are usually the guys with tons of words to defend their own work, i had seem a lot of people like that in art school, but when you feel great in what you are doing, once you finish a piece you move for the next one.


Even till this day, i dont feel great at all.
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Cestarian Featured By Owner Edited May 7, 2016   Digital Artist
"Hear me out, when you are in high school you know you suck, you dont have the quality of people you admire, knowing you are not great its what keep you grounded to the floor" Yes, that's the problem. You keep yourself "down".
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thinking you are great it can take you to the wrong path." It depends on "how" you are thinking you are great, being happy with yourself and proud of yourself doesn't mean you have to be cocky about it or delusional about how you think you are much better than you are (which is how I think you are seeing it).

It's kind of like positive thinkers and negative thinkers. A negative thinker will focus on everything that's wrong and how he sucks, a positive thinker will focus on how great it is that he's tried, and how much he has improved since some time ago. This isn't an absolute, but in general. And your feelings, your emotions, they matter so much, you need to feel happy or at least feel good to well... thrive, as a person. Therefore which do you think would make you feel better? To always be stamping on yourself for how you aren't as good as you want to be, or always praising yourself for how good you are, and looking forward to how much greater you are going to be if you keep trying?

It's a mentality, a small twist that has a great effect. When I draw today, I am terrible, ok I'm drawing gestures, and it looks like this: sta.sh/0mw45snmmk7

You can see how fucking bad that is right? And I know this, and I am definitely not thinking that I am "better than somebody else" when I look at this and think "This is great". No, I'm thinking this is great because I'm trying, and I know I can do better, also know I could do worse, and in fact, just one day earlier it looked this bad sta.sh/01opc7ftlx19

So I'm better than I was once,  that in and of itself is very great, and I can be very happy about that.

As opposed to being daunted by for example how I want to be as good as you (or better) but I have so, so, so far to go to come even close, and how everything I draw sucks compared to you, who are the actual baseline for my goals as an artist (I started out because I saw your work, and it inspired me that greatly, I wanted to be able to do as well as you, and you should recognize within yourself that you are actually this great, and that in and of itself is a pretty high level of greatness, to be such a good artist you are able to inspire others. You might not be satisfied with the level you're at, and you want to do better, but why should that have to mean that you are not great already?)

You should allow yourself, or even prioritize to feel good about yourself, because it won't slow down your progress, it won't make you think all of a sudden "ok since I am great I don't have to improve" the only difference will be that you will enjoy drawing much more than you do if you don't like yourself (even if it's a little bit of a white lie; I mean look at the terrible shit I drew, I am able to think that this is great, but you can throw at me all the shit that's wrong with me and I will simply say "yes, you're right, I will try to do better next time!" I wouldn't defend any of it) and you will just feel better, in general, in life. Which is so much more important than your factual skill level or capability in any conceivable worldly task.

Or that's what I believe, and that's what I'm seeing in myself at the moment anyways, I mean when I drew that shit one day, then did better the next day, I felt great about what I drew the former day, I wanted to do better, a lot better, but hey, could I have done that 1 month ago? Nope. And that is amazing.

Do yourself a favor, and do your fans a favor, and acknowledge that you are a great artist, there are greater heights to strive for. But you are already at degrees many others would consider mastery. And just because you don't think that you are as good as someone you look up to, doesn't have to mean you aren't good. I mean I can compare myself to most artists I look up to and I can easily say "I'm so far below them in skill level" but that doesn't mean I'm bad or not great, because there are no doubt people below my level as well (no matter how low it is). (Also you might think that you're good but you don't want to be good, you want to be great. Considering the heights you have already reached, if you don't think you are great now, you never will, because you will always find something higher to aim at that becomes the new definition of"great")

I mean you can see from the way I talk that while I think I'm great, I don't think there's much to brag about (since there are many people more great) or that I'm better than you in any way (and even if our roles were reversed, I wouldn't think that either)
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elsevilla Featured By Owner May 8, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
I get your point, thats why i love talking about art, you always get ritcher when talking to other people, thanxs for sharing. I like your definition about the word great, im a way yeah, you have to use all your positive vibe you can get, even if sometimes is a lie.
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Cestarian Featured By Owner Edited May 8, 2016   Digital Artist
Indeed, nothing like free speech.

Well, that's the beauty of it, you can't really lie to yourself like that, it won't work. It has to be truth or you need tpo perceive it as truth, if you tell yourself a lie, knowing it's a lie, knowing you want it to be true, you will always remember it's just a lie. The trick is not lying to yourself but focusing on the positive aspects until the negatives fade into the background. Never assuming the worst. I never lie, not to myself, and not to others, that's the rule, every lie you tell (yourself or others) hurts you, because it within your own mind enforces the idea that you are an untrustworthy person (because how can you trust someone who lies?). As you can see from what I wrote above, I'm not delusional about my skill level, I just think it's great that I'm trying, and great that I'm at least this good, I mean I could be a lot worse, before this, I couldn't even understand what gesture was... Much less how to somehow draw it... Now I do, I might not be able to draw it well, but it's great that I do know, and it's great that I can draw it this well (or this bad), because since I know what it is, and I can draw it at this degree, with some improvement, I will in due time with a bit of patience learn to draw it as well as I want to. (My desire to improve has not diminished by a single percentage, but my capacity to improve has quadrupled)

It's hard to pinpoint how or what parts of my drawing I'm thinking differently about, it's not something words can easily describe, but the best way to do it is that I focus on the positive aspects, and enjoy them rather than focusing on the negative ones and lamenting them (which, make no mistake, I did before, when I was new here) it took me a good 2 years of calibration to get myself to think this way, to see "me drawing" in a positive light (and you actually helped with that, reminding me to focus on the process, not the result, truly came in handy because when I'm this bad, if I care about the result, I will never be happy I am a dummy! ). And you know, until now I struggled really hard just to pick up my stylus, and often couldn't do it for months (last time a full year, reason you haven't seen me watching your streams for a year is because I myself just couldn't get my mind set on drawing again until now).

Without the positivity I managed to inject into my drawing experiences by readjusting how I think about things, I probably would have given up on drawing. I was honestly ready to do that. But ever since I was a kid, there's been some demonically stubborn part deep down inside me that just does not know when to quit (thankfully, or i'd have commited suicides many times over by now :/ ). Which is why I ended up here instead of giving up CURSE YOU!.

You should seriously take it into consideration if you want to try to make this sort of change in your life, to see things in a more positive light (be that drawing or anything else) because you can trust me 100% when I say it will not slow down your progress (and no, it won't take away your ability to objectively criticize your work, it could enhance this ability though), and it will not make you delusional about your skill level (In fact right now I think you're delusional about your skill level, and not that you think you're better than you are, but that you think you are much worse than you really are, and what good does that really do you? At least I can guarantee it does not make you feel any better about anything to think this negative way about yourself.) It might even accelerate your progress in improving your own skill rather than slow it down. But I mean if you want this, all you have to do to get there is try.

Whenever you think something negative about yourself or your art, counter the thought with a positive thought. For example "This painting looks terrible, I suck"-> "Nooo, I'm just exaggerating, it's not that bad (neutral ground/grey zone), I got this and this and this right! (turning to positive) And nobody's saying anything bad about it so probably nobody noticed anything (reaffirm it) :nod: no it's pretty good (confirm it), I can do better, but this is not bad (positive reinforcement). Besides, I had so much fun drawing that it was worth it either way :) (forget there ever was an issue) " Every time you think something negative, argue against it, reason against it, flip your perspective on it from "bad" to "good" by focusing on the good instead of the bad, and noticing (not lying to yourself, but actually noticing) that the good far outweighs the bad. If I can do this with my H.O.R.R.E.N.D.O.U.S nightmare fuel drawings, you can do this with your colorfully rendered paintings. It might take you months or years, but if you keep doing this, if you keep rejecting your negative thoughts and replacing them with positives (not lies, just finding the good, and focusing on the good instead of the bad you were previously focusing on) you will get there. And when you do, you'll wonder how you were able to be so negative back in the day.

Not trying to force you into it or anything, but this is how I did it (and I mean changed my entire lifes perspective, not my perspective on my drawings) back in the day, and I was doing this for about 2-3 years before all of a sudden like the flip of a switch, I was more positive than negative, and life was good. The exact same life, but instead of feeling depressed, I felt pretty ok. (think of this as a guideline, a starting point. Your mind is powerful, everyone's minds are. So if you want this, it's not too late to change your perspective even if you're in your 30s or 40s, or even 60s. You will always be capable of this change if you decide with determination to do it. As long as you are patient and don't expect it to happen fast. It will gradually happen, slowly but surely, and you won't notice it until all of a sudden you are standing at the goal. Just as I did back when I overcame my depression, and just as I did the other day with my drawing. Just all of a sudden, the same shit feels so much better, and I didn't lose anything, I didn't stop improving (I started finally improving again, rather than stopping) so please, consider this seriously. As a bonus, you'll extend your life ;) by you know, smiling more and being more positive La la la la )
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uchuubranko Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Student General Artist
why do I feel that both of comments/parties have an equal amount of truth to them? :O_o: I usually agree to one place but this time, I'm very intrigued.
And amused because there are so many ways of thinking to people. How you view your art, progress, and life might be the polar opposite of what you are being seen as. Great comments. :noes:
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Cestarian Featured By Owner Edited May 7, 2016   Digital Artist
When it comes to philosophical discussions like this, there's usually no one absolute correct.

But, the way I see it, is that whatever makes people the happiest is always the best choice. If you go through your life, or most of it, as a happy person, you have had a successful life, even if none of your goals were reached. Because you enjoyed the journey even if the destination was always out of reach, and that is what in the end matters. (Because in the end, no matter what you do, you will not have a noticable impact on the outcome of the universe, it will live on and end the way it wants to or is meant to, and so will mankind, I've found this last piece out the hard way. Try to convince people who are used to one thing that this is bad for them and they should choose another better solution, what will they do? Argue with you and completely disregard what you say in a bulllheaded way (many people would rather die than change their minds, and literally do die as a result of being so bullheaded and ignoring people's good willed attempts to sway them...). So with things like that, you should focus inwards, what you think, what you feel, how you feel, and how you can improve all of these things, because that is what matters the most, and that is what should matter the most to you.)

And since it is known that positive thinking brings you joy and prevents you from being sad in general (I don't think it's actually in any practicality possible for a person who is a perfectly positive thinker, to actually be depressed, depression can't exist without negativity, not mentally, and not chemically (since the chemicals are controlled by your mind, and chemicals produced by positive thoughts counter the negative thoughts, and even if that system were somehow broken, our minds are great at adapting to these sorts of failures)) I believe whenever possible people should look for and take the most positive outlook at everything they do in life, so that they can be more happy doing it, and more happy about doing it.

It's a mind over matter way of thinking... But since matter affects the mind, that is important to (stay healthy and in shape or you'll feel it in your head!) I believe Elsevilla identifies as an artist far more than me, in fact his identity is that of an artist, my identity is dominantly a tech guy, and it may become some weird jack of all trades deal (I mean... Philosophy, psychology, art, martial artist and so on...) but I will probably never identify as an artist and just (or primarily) as an artist, I don't know Elsevilla's story, but I know mine is one of intense mental torment throughout my childhood from start to finish, which I had to overcome just to survive, and after just surviving the torment itself, I had to relive it all and overcome the traumas, and most of this I had to do by myself, and it is from my process of overcoming extreme mental traumas in quantities of tens, any of which could easily land anyone in a mental hospital and being permanently branded as insane (some of which criminally insane...) is where my most crucial life views come from, including the importance of mental health and stability, and how positive thinking and perspectives are one of the most important ways to achieve and maintain mental health and mental stability.

But yeah I think I agree that how Elsevilla sees his hart is a polar opposite of how everybody else sees it, no doubt :dummy: I am quoting him directly here (from a livestream): "if i describe my stuff, it would be a frankstein trying to be gentle to a girl". It's kind of mysterious to me how something I see as so beautiful can be seen as something so terrible to it's creator :saddummy:

But I also think that this way of thinking is not only unhealthy but potentially damaging to him as a person. It's like he's intentionally warping his views on his greatest skill in the most negative fashion he can. And I don't understand why. It might be a (common) misconception that seeing himself and his work in positive light will stop him from further improving, but in my experience, my improvements as an artist only just begun the other day, and the other day was exactly the day where I finally succeeded in seeing my artwork, my drawings (or attempts at such) in a positive enough light not to feel shit about them. If I felt like they were shit, how on earth could I ever be motivated to draw? :la: I know that elsevilla is motivated by his enjoyment of the process of drawing, but I wonder if he sees that as some sort of weird guilty pleasure rather than the thorough joy he could see it as if he were not constantly putting himself down for his artwork.

And I as an empathetic (unbelievable that I managed to retain that through all my previously mentioned traumas) person, hope that he as a person can come to see himself in a more positive light for his own sake. It makes me a bit sad to see people putting themselves down, whatever the reasons, but one of the worse effects of this is that him putting himself down like this can lead others to think "Wow, this guy who is much better than me at this stuff thinks he's shit? How much shit am I going to be in his eyes then?" or "Wow, if I'm only striving to achieve this guys level, and he thinks it's shit, will I always be shit?" (and thus negativity spreads to those around him, even if he didn't intend to do that and he's just being honest)

Your mind, your thought patterns, how you feel, what you feel, and what you truly want in life is something people should always try to consider and ask themselves seriously. These are hard questions that can take so much time and effort to answer, but if these are things you seek, then find them you will.

I think in this context though, the most important question to ask is: "Do I want to feel good about myself and my life, and live it happier than I am now? Or do I want to (keep) feel(ing) bad about myself and my life, because I think it's shit right now, and I don't deserve to be happy?" And in the given example, I have had to face this question as a person who was not just feeling bad about myself or my life in general, but was actually depressed. And I decided, that it would be worth a try since things couldn't get much worse than this, to see what would happen if I changed my perspective on life. So I changed my perspective, and to tell the truth not much about my life changed (in fact I am more alone than ever shortly after this decision was made), but I feel so much better and so much more free because I am not depressed anymore, I'm not sad anymore, and the loneliness doesn't bother me anymore. And I know that all the bad things right now are only temporary setbacks, and once I fix them, my life will go from the good it is now, to the awesome it will be then. And even if I fail, at least I failed happily after trying everything I could instead of failing in bitter defeat of how worthless I am, was and have been. And as soon as I got to experience life on this greener side, I realized that no matter what I'd do with a mind like this, life would never be as bad as it was before (even if it's almost the exact same from a materialistic point of view).

Your thoughts matter, they shape you.
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zugai-kotsu Featured By Owner May 7, 2016   Digital Artist
So true! Thanks for that! xD
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FoxyAntho Featured By Owner Edited May 7, 2016
Not only in painting but for almost everything you do too :)
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Savven Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I usually tell myself something similar to this whenever working on a piece. I can't get better if I don't try.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
:)
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